What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

This is a forum for discussing privacy abuse. Some bookmakers secretly use insidious tracking techniques on computers and smartphones. The one product most talked about is 'iesnare', which is never specifically mentioned in terms and conditions, but there are plenty of other privacy abuses you may not be happy with. Let everyone know.
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Re: What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

Post by Jimmy Justice » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:28 pm

If you are correct, we maybe doing more harm than good. But, the story was out there many, many months (years) before we even touched it. All we have done is investigated it more thoroughly than anybody else has done by gathering evidence. Why would a member of Iovation staff lie to a journalist his company had threatened to sue. He didn't lie, he simply admitted that everything in the article was true and then quickly backed that up by saying Iovation didn't do it, so who did? As I say we have also submitted other evidence to the GC and ICO that will be very, very diffcult to deny, as it is not 'hear-say'.

We are pro-gambling and pro-bookmakers if they trade in a 'fair and open' way. Sadly, some do not. All of us were advocates for the industry until 3-10 years ago, timescale dependent on who you choose. Modern off-course bookmakers have turned a free market into a joke, where they bankrupt many people whilst not allowing anyone to win, if they use skill, in the medium to long term (medium term for some companies is more than 3-5 bets). They have redefined the word gambling. Gambling, especially sports betting is about 98% of people losing and 2% of people winning. That was not good enough for the modern accountants; they are not bookmakers. In their pursuit of their aim of only trading with losers, however little the winners, win (some people get banned whilst they're losing if they show any signs of ability), the industry has done many things, most legal, some dubious (e.g. unfair terms and conditions), some possibly illegal and some illegal. Their use of Iovation already fits into the latter category as defined, not by us, but the UK's Information Commissioner's Office, e.g. they are hiding how it is used and not giving people chance to opt out before it is downloaded. Again, why would you do this, if you had little or nothing to hide? One possibly reason is, that the industry has got that used to doing what it likes, when it likes, so they never even thought it might seem suspicious?

This may seen a little crazy at present, but in some ways we are singing from the same hymn-sheet - secure, but fair. However, whichever way you look at it, it isn't J4P's or the punter's fault for the present situation, as you seem to be hinting at. If companies hide things there will always be worries. If the bookmakers had their 'house in order' and traded in a 'fair and open' way we wouldn't be where we are.

JJ

NB: When staff move companies, it is no different from doctors moving hospitals; confidentiality is 'King', therefore if you choose to divulge personal information about a customer you knew at one company to staff at another you are breaching the 'Data Protection Act'. And yes, we know this happens, but would probably never pursue staff legally for doing it, because they probably haven't be trained in confidentiality issues in the same in-depth way as doctors. Nevertheless; ignorance is not a defence in law, so others might.

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Re: What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

Post by Jimmy Justice » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:34 am

Hi Guys

This is just to prove that bookmakers do use Iovation 'iesnare' for risk management purposes. We have more evidence than this, so once again these bookie chappies are refusing to tell the truth.

JJ
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Re: What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

Post by mick » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:56 am

Jim well said all of your above. Based on my personal experiences B365 and WH are the slowest to implement punitive restrictions to prevent current profitable customers.Interesting that neither feel the need to merge.? I wonder if the fast action taken by the accountants you mention really is an aide to there company's profits.?

Whatever all punters bet with the objective of making profit few will succeed long term but the message is now very clear to all customers that none will be allowed to.Those who are currently not effected should please think on this,because you could be next.Imo joining and supporting this forum and its fair objectives would be a positive step for any and all backers.As Jim mentions the bookmakers now believe they can do as they please, and our apathy helps enable this.If we start working collectively then this increases the chance of changing this.

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Re: What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

Post by Jimmy Justice » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:20 am

Absolutely.

Fortunately we have 100s of members, but not 1000 yet. This does not reflect the forum (obvious)! However, it does help us in our negotiations with the Gambling Commission and hopefully at a proposed meeting with the Head of Gambling Policy for the UK government. Civil servants and espeically MPs only understand one thing - votes. The more members we have the more power we have.

Please do tell your friends to send an email to: info@justiceforpunters.org asking to become a free member. We do NOT share email addresses or names with anybody, we just need a big membership, irrespective of, if they choose to use the forum or not.

Thanks.

JJ

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Re: What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

Post by Sharda » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:26 am

Could this be like PPI where the bookmakers will have to reimburse customers???

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Re: What is iesnare and why does it matter to punters?

Post by Jimmy Justice » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:23 pm

That is a very good question.

We are not at that stage yet, but we do have one legal opinion from a lawyer who specialises in EU & UK privacy law and he has said that what is happening is illegal. But, as yet, we do not know:

a) What the UK Information Commissioner's Office will rule in general.
b) What a possible test case could award in damages.

To be honest, we're not all that bothered about the legal area at present, because we hope the ICO and the bookmakers will do the right thing and be honest with everyone in the future.

JJ

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