Blacktype bet

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Dock Green
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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Dock Green » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:16 am

Following a review of your account by our trading department, we are contacting you to inform you that our bet to win guarantees have been temporarily removed from all your horse racing bets. This decision has been made due to the nature of your betting patterns which we consider to be against the spirit of the bet to win guarantee. This was introduced to reward customers who are looking to back independent selections as opposed to those looking to exploit certain unique instances such as following live professional money which you have done on a number of occasions too many to be a coincidence. We can confirm your account remains open and you are welcome to continue betting on horse racing and all other sports. Should our trading department observe a change in betting patterns they will consider re-instating the bet to win guarantee.

Blacktype are basically saying that we will lay you bets only if you start losing ? I follow form and bet accordingly. This seems to mean I am not a recreational (ie losing punter) so I can't bet. All their marketing said I was just the sort of punter they wanted to attract.

If I followed Tom Segal who has been doing hits tits for the last few years I would be closed for following 'live tipsters'. There is always an excuse, live pro bets, live tipsters, arbing etc...

Admit it BLACKTYPE you are a fraud just like all the others. You only want losing or casino punters !!

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Jimmy Justice » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:56 am

Does anybody want to comment on this? How would you define "live professional money?"

An account restriction for this betting pattern is certainly not in their T&C.

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by mick » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:52 am

Dock Green : You do not mention if your account is in profit,i suspect this is so and your final sentence accurately sums up the true cause.I have been a punter for > 40yrs yet i have no idea what "live professional money" is or means,and like yourself all of my bets are placed via my own judgement of form.Black Type should be publicly challenged to give there exact definition of this ,including actual examples.

This would be the last thing they expect or wish.Black Type would have gained many new customers via there " £500 take out for ALL" but as you say what it really means is SOME.!

Jimi is there anything we can do collectively concerning this,would that Guardian Journalist be interested.? Perhaps if some of us e mail Black Type saying we are thinking of opening an account but are now reluctant because of the above customers experience.? I would do so because it is true.

They do not offer bog ,so once you have taken there price they do not have to worry about drifters but i am guessing that should your bets still beat the SP on balance and your account is in profit then they will use this rule to see you gone.This is sending a very clear message to all of there customers.

The saddest aspect is that if J4P become involved and raise public awareness then this will please the other Bookmakers who will not like the £500 guarantee which they are not prepared to offer ,but in a perverse way Black Types actions could be judged even more hypocritical.?

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Del » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:23 am

"Live Professional Money" - I take this to mean that they are suggesting somewhere out there is a stream of money that carries significant weight of influence on the chances of certain runners. Absolutely fictional appraisal of how they really see the situation. They just don't like you selecting winners so much.

And again it's of huge interest that this time they admit to monitoring and evaluating your betting patterns. But apparently they can only do this for people who win money quite legitimately. Their systems can't detect huge losses and activity. Sweep those under the carpet, but shut down the winners who just know more about the game than they do.

The industry really does deserve a huge rack over and clear up.

I've read several heartbreaking stories this morning via social media of gambling addicts taking their own lives as the only way to make the "fun" stop mixed in with bleating bookies reps protecting their billionaire bosses' corrupt industry. And the review of the GC's approach to allowing the firms to settle their issues with voluntary "fines" seems to be just more of their vague ambiguous toothless tiger approach they seem comfortable to adopt.

DG, You are being treated appallingly by a gambling firm that are both immoral and stupidly short sighted. Real bookies who had long term winners used the customer's skill & judgement to lay off liabilities elsewhere without closing their source down. But that takes too much effort for button pushing accountants these days.

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Jimmy Justice » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:30 pm

We've found BlackType quite approachable unlike most of the others, but I'm not sure, as you say, that a media splash is the way forward. I would prefer them to go down the route of what any other business would do (except bookmaking) and explain their decision in full and what their evidence is for this. Feel free to disagree.

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by mick » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:11 am

With the greatest respect Jimi the way your above reads you appear to be disagreeing with yourself.? May i ask if JFP intends to contact BlackType and seek a full explanation because its a given that the customer will not be provided with a detailed one.

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Dock Green » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:29 pm

Thanks for your support everyone. It is quite incredible that in just one paragraph BLACKTYPE have made a mockery of the whole premise of their existence.

They headlined themselves as the thinking mans horse racing bookie, back your judgement to win a guaranteed max of just £500. That is just £50 on a 10-1 shot, with no best odds guaranteed.

They say I have' "betting patterns which we consider to be against the spirit of the bet to win guarantee" That is bookmaker speak for you have backed a few winners..

Also; I am "following live professional money which you have done on a number of occasions too many to be a coincidence". I have simply backed my selections in the morning and a few have started at a shorter price and a few have won. If they were aware that these were so called live horses why didn't they cut their prices. I simply backed my own form driven selections to win a maximum of £500.

Finally " I can keep backing my horses and should our trading department observe a change in betting patterns they will consider re-instating the bet to win guarantee" I can have next to nothing on my selections, how can they possibly see a change in my betting patterns if they have basically stopped me betting.

BLACKTYPE may well be in the business of simply attracting customers to their casino. That seems to be running nicely on their site now and I would imagine many other customers no longer get the £500 guarantee on their horseracing bets. It would be interesting to know how many there are !

BLACKTYPE are probably worse that all the other bookies in that we know they don't lay horseracing bets but BLACKTYPE advertised that it was their reason for existing, obviously NOT.

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Jimmy Justice » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:48 pm

I wonder if BlackType would like to respond to this. It would be really useful. Have you thought about letting them know?

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by mick » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:53 am

Dock Green , When they treat a customer this way they anticipate that he will just accept and disappear without fuss.This will be the norm for most.The very last thing they will want or anticipate is others being made aware of what might await them should they dare turn a profit with a firm which gained a large amount of free publicity when starting via there "all customers £500 at the price etc".

The e mail they sent you is a blatant piddle take imo not only towards yourself but to all who bet with them,or might be thinking of doing so.You did the right thing by sharing it on here and i hope that JFP will follow up and become involved,but i would say post it on as many racing - betting sites and forums as possible.

This will not get your account reinstated but it will prob make you feel better.! The saddest aspect for myself is that i wanted Black Type to succeed as per there stated objectives.!

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Re: Blacktype bet

Post by Jimmy Justice » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:17 am

All agreed.

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