Should Justice for Punters become European ?

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Should Justice for Punters become European ?

Post by cosmicway » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:21 pm

Arguments in favour of Europeanism are:

1 - More members.
2 - Betting companies are international.
3 - The sports authorities of the various nations are always working together. For example the two recent price reductions in horse racing to increase the percentahe of the jockey clubs (French idea, everybody else followed).
4 - Brussels will always influence London and vice versa.

Arguments against Europeanism may be:

1 - We are not promoting hard brexit if we go European on anything (in case one supports hard brexit).
2 - The UK brexit authorities won't like it.
3 - If Brussels makes an unfavourable decision the UK bettors will probably have to tolerate it, so we had better leave them out (indeed, one such move was the prohibition of betting exchanges in the continent - progressively from 2009 to 2013).
4 - Some things can be fixed locally but internationally it's more difficult (is that true though ?).

These days I feel a little like a Jewish person writing to Hitler for better tourist amenities in the Jewish neighbourhoods.
But, having listed the arguments and likely arguments for and against, I personally feel we are operating at lower gear for not making this into a European organization.
I believe if we allow the European state monopolies and private national monopolies to dominate the scene in Europe, it will gradually make things worse in UK too rather than have no effect.

It's a fact we have no political party behind us.
In Greece when the liberals won in 2004 they soon became as mean as their socialist predecessors.
The socialists from 2000 to 2004 created a lot of mischief in the national betting companies.
Two days before the election a huge money scandal broke up and the director of public prosecutions issued "invitations".
But -bad luck- the traditional truce of the election weekend had began, so no juice.
Come Tuesday, everybody was interested in the hair styles of the members of the new cabinet. It became a "forget story" and everybody of the gang went scot-free.
Then the liberals were as mean as the others.
In 2009 it was the turn of the socialists to make some pre-election overtures.
They won handsomely.
There was that former Olympics athlete, a popular figure, tipped to become the new sports secretary & as sports secretary he was also connected with betting matters. He did n't in the end become, but the day after the election his first job was to cancel his cellular numbers (tut-tut-tut, the number you are dialing belongs to no subscriber, tut-tut-tut).
So it's heads we win, tails you lose and I suspect that by and large it's the same in Britain.

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Re: Should Justice for Punters become European ?

Post by Jimmy Justice » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:46 am

Hi

Thanks for your constructive thoughts.

The biggest problem at present to any expansion is that we do not have the hours in the day to do it. As an example I am personally giving 4 hours of the day 7 days per week for free and it is increasing. If we expand there are issues around a consistent message and consistent approaches to providing help using volunteers, not something we have the money to address.

Nevertheless, I do agree with most of what you state and J4P would be quite willing for other countries to develop their own websites, in their own languages based on what we are doing. We are not protective of any of our materials or anything else, so if people want to adopt them for their own use, they are most welcome.

I hope this helps?

JJ

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Re: Should Justice for Punters become European ?

Post by cosmicway » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:41 pm

A loose federation could be formed.
I believe people are confused.
When the betting companies were national, we were addressing the governments to probably make some better laws.
With private companies and at the same time no real consumer protection laws of any sort, everyone is despaired - it seems.
In the days of right2bet they had links to an Italian site and to a French site, but the French site was already gone when I discovered right2bet. I don't know of any more at present.
If you find 3-4 people from the principal countries, count me in for Greece.
I believe the Europeans consider freedom of cross border betting as a more central issue, which is alright by me. In general bad globalization is better than bad monopolies (is my belief more or less).

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Re: Should Justice for Punters become European ?

Post by Jimmy Justice » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:06 am

There's some guys in Spain and we've had contacts from Germany and Croatia. I seem to remember a journalists from Denmark (?) who runs a gambling website who was keen, but I will need to search for everyone, except the Spanish guys who are here: http://muebete.org/

J4P would consider being in a loose confederation as I think it would be useful, but I don't have the time to co-ordinate it due to the high number of disputes we are now dealing with just from the UK and Ireland.

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Re: Should Justice for Punters become European ?

Post by cosmicway » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:29 pm

Jimmy Justice wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:06 am
There's some guys in Spain and we've had contacts from Germany and Croatia. I seem to remember a journalists from Denmark (?) who runs a gambling website who was keen, but I will need to search for everyone, except the Spanish guys who are here: http://muebete.org/

J4P would consider being in a loose confederation as I think it would be useful, but I don't have the time to co-ordinate it due to the high number of disputes we are now dealing with just from the UK and Ireland.

JJ
Well things will fall into place and if after all someone deviates significantly in some odd fashion we 'll get to know.
But maybe there exist such national bloggers already.
We don't know of them because they are not rank 1 websites.
From Greece there was my old effort and also another blogger appeared - but I don't remember the blog address exactly now.
So it may be a question of making them into a catalogue to begin with.

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